It was wonderful to have Jordan Daniel Wood on for a third time! I’m grateful for the generosity he has shown us with his time.
When I first came across Jordan’s work a year and a half ago I was intrigued by the way he talked about salvation and I suspected he leaned toward universalism. Since then, he has talked directly about universalism with Larry Chapp and on the Grace Saves All podcast.
Personally, I’m sympathetic to universalism and find some of the arguments for it compelling. But I also trust the Church’s Magisterium and take it’s teaching on Hell seriously. So I have been wanting to talk with Jordan and navigate that tension in a way that’s faithful to the Magisterium, not in opposition.
During our first interview we talked about the difference between the work of the catechist and the work of the theologian. Pope Francis gave an address back in November where he distinguished the two:
“The catechist must give the correct doctrine, the solid doctrine; not possible novelties, of which some are good, but what is solid…Theologians risk to go further, and it will be the Magisterium that stops them. But the vocation of the theologian is always to venture to go further, because he or she is seeking, and is trying to make theology more explicit.”
I bring that up again because I’m a catechist and Jordan’s a theologian, so I thought that would be an excellent framework for this discussion.
I always love talking with Jordan and I hope you enjoy listening just as much. This episode is now available on Youtube and in your favorite podcast app.
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In their third discussion with Jordan Daniel Wood, Dominic and Paul discuss Hell and Universalism. Using Pope Francis’s distinction between the role of the catechist and the role of the theologian, they put what the Church teaches about Hell into dialogue with Jordan’s theological studies. They talk about how holding the tension between the solid teaching and the theological proposals that venture further, without letting go of the teaching, can create a space for contemplation and for God to work.
Jordan Daniel Wood is a stay-at-home dad of four young daughters. He entered the Catholic Church about eight years ago. He holds a PhD in Historical Theology from Boston College, and, when not changing diapers and making school lunches, is currently working on two translation projects. He is also the author of the book, “The Whole Mystery of Christ: Creation as Incarnation in Maximus Confessor.”
Jordan’s email:
jordandanielwood@gmail.com
Our first two interviews with Jordan:
1. https://www.popefrancisgeneration.com/p/interview-with-jordan-daniel-wood
2. https://www.popefrancisgeneration.com/p/jordan-daniel-wood-grace-theosis
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Catechists with the vocation in their roles of the education of the believing conscience and theologians in their roles examining and developing church teaching have their activities advantageously combined by an exercise of an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of their applications of their vocations by consecrated marriage either celibate vowed to man in Christ or male female vowed to God on the reference point of Mary joined in both marriages. An example of this is Pope Francis in his roles as catechist and theologian having all his activities in these two roles advantageously combined by his exercise of an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of his applications of his two roles on 10 June 2021 or just after by his accountability and amends for previously failing in the keeping or allowing of the inseparability and qualitative equality of his role and his identity in the cases of his simultaneously authorising his:
1. ensuring his procreation role gift charity donations as a helper of his family within his family alleged embezzled by ten of his Vatican state citizens/employees, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu, presently been heard on inditements in his Vatican state criminal court,
2. insuring his need of union of his identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ at unacceptable risk of fraud by the Italian Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill then defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note he authorised from his Vatican state Secretariat of State to the Italian government.
"... faithful to the holy father Pope Francis and the Church" in withstanding extreme tensions caused by
diseased family member "familyists" grooming psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members with an occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, non-economic false status inducement of "higher vocation" for economic advantages of their families by tax-exemption embezzlement and lower insurance costs by fraud needs to be corrected.
This correction needs to be to: 'in uncertainty believing with Pope Francis from his inauguration Mass homily on 19 March 2013, significantly the feast of St Joseph joined with Mary in male female marriage, in correcting the Church teaching since the "opinion" of St Paul at 1Cor 7:25-34 that consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ is a "higher vocation" (Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Family "Guidelines", TTMHS, 1995, 35) than consecrated male female marriage vowed to God as the cause of the "worldwide catastrophe" (Pope Francis, 10 June 2021) of sexual abuse in that "the great majority of sacramental marriages [both celibate and male female] are invalid" (Pope Francis, 16 June 2016)'.